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You guys can't record now as well.
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All right, recording.
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I see waveforms means it's working tap tap.
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Yeah, that's a good idea.
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OK, somebody's got their volume way up
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and just heard us bang on the mic.
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Oh, I'm sorry.
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I can punch the mic if you want me to.
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No, don't do that.
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OK, it's probably not something over.
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All right, Steve,
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you can do the claps when you feel like it.
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No, Tyler's on a secret mission today, he's not joining us.
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All right. On the count of three.
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Three, two, one.
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That was horrendous.
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I'm pretty sure Steve was counting to four in his head.
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He made it to four and then he said, oh, right, I have to clap.
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All right.
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We're really bad at that.
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Oh, the one to it from two weeks ago wasn't actually that bad.
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Maybe maybe it's perfect, and it's just Steve's internet slowing him down.
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Could be. You never know.
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It's fine. It is.
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The three weeks ago, for whatever reason, halfway through,
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Josh went out of sync and no clue why.
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He was like, well, I think I figured out why.
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Yeah, because for some reason
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my system ran an automatic update, which re-enabled Pulse Audio.
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So I literally changed sound servers in the background during last week's episode.
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That's awesome.
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That shouldn't even really be possible, right?
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Should it? Because it is possible.
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It is possible. It happened for me.
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If you forget to if you forget to mask the system
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deservice for the Pulse Audio socket, then it can't happen.
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Oh, you were running Gentoo.
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No, I was actually running.
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I was not running Gentoo. Was that Solus?
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I think. Yeah, it was Solus.
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It happens sometimes.
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Well, because an update shouldn't be able to kill a running process.
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Oh, trust me. And then restart one.
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It depends on your package manager.
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It depends on a package manager.
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Not all now on your archivist distributions.
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Pac-Man doesn't automatically restart services, but, you know,
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distributions like, you know, that use the package or apt.
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They research system deservices and restart, restart
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running processes that aren't listed as critical.
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And our distros who forgot to include the correct packages
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like zero Linux and the right or that right services enabled.
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That should definitely not be even possible.
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That shouldn't be that shouldn't be even a feature.
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No, well, it happened to me.
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I forgot lip pipewire and I forgot to add the user to real time group
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by not adding the user to to the real time group.
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Every time there's an update to pipewire, if it runs in the background,
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it restarts pipewire.
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Since the user is not in the real time group, it doesn't remember the setting.
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That's that really should not be possible.
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And it was possible because I did think to me.
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No, no, no, no. I mean, I'm not I'm not saying that it's not possible.
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I'm just saying it really shouldn't be possible.
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I guess something that they should fix, because think about it.
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Think about some of the services that run in your system that have to stay up
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and run it.
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I mean, what if it kills kills something that is like
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an Xorg service or something or Kaywin or I mean.
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So in in the Debian base,
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there is actually a file in your Etsy app folder
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that actually manages all the services
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that the app will absolutely refuse to restart.
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And in fact, it will prompt you going like, hey,
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would you like to restart these services?
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I'm sure you might have seen that before.
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And the audio server isn't listed there.
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Why would it's listed it?
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Or I don't think it's listed on Debian.
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And I think Ubuntu does list it.
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But how long has it been since I ran Ubuntu?
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I don't really know.
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It's your next challenge.
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And another and another thing on
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Ubuntu is not my next challenge, because tomorrow I'm looking at clear Linux.
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Yeah. Is that is that the Intel, the Intel developed one?
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Yeah. And you know who happens, who here happens to have a full Intel system
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that supports every every single thing that they that they say
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that I need for the distro?
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Mamma Mia!
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All right, gents, let's go ahead and get started.
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We're recording. All right.
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We're going to we're going to.
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Hey, guys, welcome to the tangent cast.
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No,
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we're not going to have any tangents.
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We've never had any of those.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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Oh, all right. All right.
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I'll get me started on package managers then.
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Yeah. All right.
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Me, then Josh and Steve.
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OK, we clarify.
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We clarified it this week.
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Make sure everybody heard me this time.
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I think I think someone talked over me last time.
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All right.
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Steve, you're last.
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Hey, everybody, welcome to Linuxcast.
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I'm your host, Matt.
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And I'm Josh.
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Dark Zero, Steve.
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Yeah, he's that guy.
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Tyler is off this week.
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So we're we're going to run with just three of us.
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This is a booboo on his arm.
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I'm not sure what he actually did.
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He never explained his.
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I'm sure it was from kind of some kind of escapade.
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It's from it's from his last secret mission.
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That's what it is.
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All right. So this is a Linuxcast.
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We talk about Linuxy things.
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That's what we do.
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Sometimes we do just like a regular topic.
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But this week, we're going to go back to normal.
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We're going to talk about some news and we have news.
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So before we jump into that, we always talk about the things
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that we have been doing in the Linux land.
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So, Josh, why don't you tell us what you've been doing
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in open source this week?
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Uh, so we pushed some contributions of bug reports to KDE.
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Their bug tracker is toxic, like usual.
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I'm sure Steve, who very recently reported a bug earlier this week,
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completely understands every single pain with it with the bugzilla
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bug tracker that KDE uses.
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Fantastic piece of software works perfectly fine every time
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as soon as you as soon as you learn how to use it.
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I got solo steps pissed off at me yet again, and this time I'm not banned.
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And then other than that, we've been ripping Blu-rays again
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because we because, you know, in our last hardware failure,
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I didn't realize that it impacted my my video library.
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You haven't you had to re-burn all of your.
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I'm re-ripping. We're on disk 17 of 30.
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Sounds like a fantastic time, I'm telling you.
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So we just download. Thankfully, there's a Docker container that automates it.
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Of course there is. There's a Docker container for everything.
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All right, Steve, what have you been up to this week?
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Where shall I begin?
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The beginning or from the middle of the end?
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All right.
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Well, the thing that the thing that involved the Linux,
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there was some pretty big news coming from your front earlier this week.
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Yes, there's a there's a small fire that lit up in zero land,
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but an understandable one.
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That's why I want to bite.
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I want your your guys's opinion.
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I'm going to keep it short since we're pressed for time.
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But there's a fire in the who shall we trust land?
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Should we trust zero Linux or shouldn't we?
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And I had a four hour audio debate yesterday with one on my server
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all about this issue, the security issue regarding the security issue in zero Linux.
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What do you guys think should we include?
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Should users who download a distro blindly trust it or they should?
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I don't know, study it before before they use it or whatever, because
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we've been we have we have someone who's in in in the security
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who is very security conscious
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that's worried about the TKG
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first that we include for Nvidia.
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It's a whole debate, but suffice it to say that.
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Wait, those developers act, they don't instill trust.
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I still opted to use their their shit.
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So what Nvidia packages are you using?
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He wants the TKG patch one.
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He KG.
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If you type TKG and video dash all TKG, you will find it.
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But there's there's a thing going on that they don't describe their commits.
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They don't tell us what they're doing.
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They expect us to read commits.
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There was 10 billion commits to understand what they're doing every every day.
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Should we trust them? Should we not?
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The only thing.
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But other than that, in the Linux land, I've been heavily
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studying Cosmic Desktop and I discovered by studying it,
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I discovered that it's coming to Arch.
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So with that being said,
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I make zero.
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That's what I'm doing.
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OK, I see that they're not tagging releases.
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They're not they're not doing it correctly, but.
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It's a whole mess.
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That's all I can say.
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All right. So my thought on the the whole trusting of the random distro things,
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like if you if.
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If you're only going to download distributions that you,
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quote unquote, trust because of regions,
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the only distro you probably ever install would be like Fedora or something
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like because they're completely, you know, anti proprietary stuff, right?
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Or maybe like Geeks or one of the other Libre Linux
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kernel using distributions, I guess.
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But then how can you trust those developers?
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I mean, trust on the Internet is really I mean, how can you trust anybody?
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But I mean, if you're so privacy and security conscious
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that you won't trust a random one, are you really going to trust
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a corporate back distribution as well?
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I mean, maybe you should.
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Matt, maybe you should maybe you should just move to the woods
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and not have any electricity and just sit there and read books.
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But then how can you possibly trust the books?
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You know, because books have information that could be biased, you know.
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So you can't read books.
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You can't do anything.
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You're just going to sit there in your woods with some fire.
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Thank you, because I found the repository and I pulled it in.
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I don't see any tag releases, so I pulled down a lot of tags.
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They do have they do have a lot of tags,
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but they name them by kernel name or kernel version or whatever.
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But thank you, Matt, because even can you trust Nvidia itself?
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Because Nvidia now is including a lot of telemetry crap
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in their drivers for Windows and who knows, maybe for Linux as well.
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What the TKG team are doing are is removing this telemetry
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and optimizing the drivers and fixing issues that Nvidia themselves won't.
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Like Vuxry does with Wayland.
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I trusted and Glorious Eggroll is using it
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in is using some of their patches in their in his
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in his distro.
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And that doesn't mean he is higher than me.
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He knows low level stuff.
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But if it's just that one package set that that person was worried about,
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it's really easy to switch to a different driver.
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I mean, you could go to an open source driver, use Nuvo or whatever
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how it's called, you could do that.
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Use the vanilla drivers from the arch repository.
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And he and they asked me to, for example, to add an option in my tool to.
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OK, vanilla or TKG add more confusion.
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So I have an easier solution for you, Steve.
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Just force them to read and accept the package build.
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It's Arch Linux.
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They can figure it out.
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Then I told them, I told them, read the commits and everything.
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He's like, I'm not going to waste time.
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Well, then he shouldn't be using Arch Linux.
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Yeah, I can't. I can't.
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It's a whole debate.
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But it's like this debate that I got in with got in with a guy over
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in a Discord chat of all places where he's just like, I don't want to.
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I don't want to use it because privacy concerns like, well,
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then get the fuck off of Discord.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I use Discord through a VPN connected to a virtual machine
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connected via the Brave browser Tor connection.
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Doesn't matter because I'm still logging into my HTTPS
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Discord that encrypts and verifies against my local machine.
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Well, speaking of browsers, this is a very small tangent.
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I'm back on Vivaldi because Vivaldi is on iOS.
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I'm so happy.
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And I'm still on Firefox.
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I want Vivaldi to be good, but it's not.
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OK, so iOS is super good.
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It has this bug.
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So one of my favorite feature of the new Vivaldi is the workspaces feature.
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It's fantastic, right?
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It allows me to have all my tabs open.
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It's like I'd ask you to have tab groups inside of basically a much larger tab group.
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It's great.
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But for some reason, when I sign in to Vivaldi using the Vivaldi account,
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it automatically starts not remembering the workspaces.
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Like it just cramps everything into one.
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And it's a horrendous bug.
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I close tabs. Lame.
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Talk to them. Don't worry.
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I know the people over there.
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Well, I filed a bug report, but I don't think it'll ever get fixed
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because I've seen several people have the same problem.
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So I don't know.
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Talk to them. I'm your liaison. I'm your liaison.
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I'm using Vivaldi right now in my VM, but I haven't signed in so that I can't.
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So the bug doesn't affect me.
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But if you don't sign in, of course, you can't sync anything, of course,
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but it doesn't really matter.
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All right. Anyways, for me personally, I have been so.
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I decided that I was missing a challenge,
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so I decided to challenge myself to abandon Vim,
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or in my case, Neo Vim, and start using Nano.
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And I was at least smart enough to say a month and not six months.
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I'm so glad that it didn't say six months.
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That would have been a nightmare.
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So I've been using it now for, I think, five days.
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I think that today is like day five, something like that.
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And wow, it's Nano shit.
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It's so bad.
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The default key bindings are garbage, like hot garbage.
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So I've changed all those.
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I've spent days making it so that it actually works out well.
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But the thing is so and clicking on links
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I just found out today is apparently impossible for me.
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I don't I don't know why.
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It just will not let me click on links.
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I know control click is supposed to do it,
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but it says something about tags not being available or whatever.
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But that didn't work.
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But the thing I'm missing most is visual mode.
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Like, I didn't even realize that I used visual mode in Vim so often.
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But apparently I did.
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And now every time I want to select multiple lines inside of Nano,
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like apparently you can't do that without your mouse.
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You know, like, what is this?
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Do I live in a cave?
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Why don't you see a mouse?
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It's it's so it's so it's ridiculous.
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Because you're a human, you use a mouse.
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No, I'm a Vim user.
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I don't use a mouse.
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In fact, I've completely disabled my mouse inside of the Vim config.
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So also also.
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I haven't used the arrow keys this much in probably six years on.
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Like I got to do it.
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One of my keyboards doesn't even have arrow keys.
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And so every time I have to use a go down a level,
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now I have to switch to a function key in order to do it.
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It's just dumb.
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So, yeah, I'm having growing pains when it comes to Nano.
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You mentioned it has a configuration file.
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It does have a configuration file.
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Has a default. Does it do?
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Oh, it has tons of options.
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There's a ton of options you can do.
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You can remap all of the key bindings that you want to, which I've done.
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You can remove that stupid fucking title bar at the top, which is just, I mean,
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why do you need to remember what file you're working in?
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It doesn't. No, no, no.
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The default title bar and Nano does not tell you what
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what file you're working.
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All it says is Nano.
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No, listen to me.
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All by default, that title bar at the top.
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All it does is tell you that it's Nano with the version number.
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That's all it does.
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The the file name is at the bottom.
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Oh, yeah, that was at the top.
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No, it's at the bottom.
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So you can get rid of the title bar, which is a waste of space.
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Also, you can add, you know, line numbers by default,
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set how it's supposed to wrap instead of having the one line
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that just goes off into infinity, but which is the apparently the default.
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Whoever thinks that's a good default is fucking retarded.
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Sorry, I shouldn't say that.
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They're really dumb.
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Anyways, I just have some serious, serious issues with Nano.
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Maybe it's just like like maybe a week from now I'll have been used to it.
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But honestly, I dread opening up a terminal in writing right now.
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I've seriously considered just going back to LibreOffice
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to do all my writing.
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That's how bad it's fine.
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It's fine.
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Because at this point, you're now getting used to the Nano workflow,
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which means that we're not too much too.
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Here, not too much longer.
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Sometime this year, we will get you back in using Emacs.
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I said for financial incentive.
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Yeah, financial incentive.
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Significant financial incentive, not significant.
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Yeah, it's two stakes, not just one.
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No, that's not significant.
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That's not financial incentive.
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Oh, that's not financial incentive.
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OK, well, money, money, money, money, money or go or go to DT.
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No, I've had I've I've tried Emacs many times in the past.
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I'm just you've never you've never tried Emacs.
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You tried Doom Emacs.
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True, but that's because I wasn't getting.
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I'd immediately install evil mode on vanilla, so I might as well just use Doom.
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I don't know. Still not going to do it.
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I was done with with Emacs the last time I made a video about it.
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And I even said I was done.
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I was like, it's just.
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But it's beheaded, says Vim.
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Vim does not have Tetris by default.
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If you use Gentoo, you can call minus games and not have any of that.
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Yeah. Well, I'm not using Gentoo either.
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I got those own problems anyway.
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So that's what I've been I've been struggling with this entire week.
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Also banged up my knee, which is the reason why we didn't have a podcast last week.
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So it has not been a very good week at all, but that's OK.
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Thank you, watch, for beeping at me.
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I appreciate that.
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It's like a third time so far.
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I know I should actually turn it off.
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All right, there we go.
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I'm like I honestly thought I was hearing like the Kim Possible
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beeps for like the old Disney show.
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Well, it's just I forget that it's sometimes on.
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Anyways, that's it for this week in Foss.
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We're going to go ahead and move on to the news.
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Let's see here, Josh, why don't you do your first link?
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Oh, my first link.
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So have you guys ever heard of Weston and used Weston before?
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Weston, no. Weston.
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Oh, well, in the event you got in the event that you guys don't know anything about it
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and you both gave me strange looks as soon as I mentioned it.
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Weston is the is the reference
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window composite compositing software for Wayland.
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It is officially maintained by by the developers behind Wayland.
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And it is just reference.
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And they push out big updates this week with
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multi GPU support a and as well as support for screen tearing.
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You'll see something for a pipeline back end,
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but that was already implemented in all the other window compositors.
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But the big the big thing with multi GPU support is that right now,
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as as it works, most display compositors only let you use one GPU at a time.
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The way this multi GPU support work will be more like how Nvidia Optimus
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works on on laptops right now, where you can specify
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that you only want to run specific applications inside
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with using your dedicated GPU.
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So that's actually showing how to get that enabled.
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And and they're doing it as a proper protocol,
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protocol via a portal in Wayland.
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Which means that it'll be coming to known KDE
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and WL routes all at the same time, as soon as they actually,
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you know, get to actually enabling the portal.
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So they're going to make hybrid graphics much easier on Wayland than it is on.
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Yes. Yes. OK.
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And then because because we all want to play our video games on our laptops,
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they're allowing us to enable screen tearing on Wayland.
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Per app on a per application basis, which
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I understand that, you know, screen tearing looks horrible.
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But in the context of playing a video game, you want to push your frame rates
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because, you know, the higher the frame rate, the smoother the gameplay is.
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Supposedly. And using using vertical sync or some form of adapt
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of adaptive sync can actually lower the frame rate and cause jitter in your game
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play. And what what this protocol does is it this disables the enforced V sync
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because on Wayland, it's always been that every frame has to be drawn perfectly.
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And you that would cause games to stutter.
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You suffer lower frame rates than usual and so on.
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Well, they're saying that they're they're they're saying that now we can just enable
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it on a per application basis so that you don't have to worry about that.
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So our video games are going to work even better over under Wayland already.
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Yeah. Can I ask you a question, Josh?
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I know you're the Wayland guy here.
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You're much more of a Wayland fan than I am.
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I'm running Wayland right now.
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Fantastic. I'm so proud of you.
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He said he said dryly.
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but global support for key
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bindings is still not a thing outside of hyperland, right?
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It is still not a thing outside of hyperland or KD.
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OK, so they worked on multi GPU support,
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which affects a very small amount of people, probably, right?
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Before they worked on global key binding support.
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You know why they're not working on global key bindings?
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No, I don't know why. I'm going to tell me because
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because when you enable support for global key bindings,
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you're also enabling support for key loggers.
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OK, I.
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Yep. Now, the way that Katie and hyperland
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both do it is when you hold your when you hold your modifier key
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because you have to do it through a modifier key, you'll be able to grab.
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Basically, what it does is it ghosts the window into focus.
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That way, your global hot key for the application works.
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And then so technically,
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you're bringing that window into focus.
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So what you're saying, it's unlikely that we'll get
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a proper global key binding support out of Wayland
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is not a hack, which is what you're describing ever.
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At the rate that current things are going?
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Yes, until somebody influenced like a proper method to get it
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that everybody can actually agree on.
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So Wayland will never be ready.
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In your eyes. I want to know.
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It's working perfectly fine for me.
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But then again, I'm also using a lot of applications that support web sockets.
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Yeah. Well, it seems so the whole portals thing.
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Got to remember, I'm not a developer, so it seems like they could use.
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I don't know.
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It just feels weird to me that they focused on the multi GPU thing
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before they focused on other thing.
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But apparently, they're not going to focus on other thing ever because of some.
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Security is. Yeah.
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It's understandable.
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I think I see it. It's understandable.
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It's understandable if you're trying to be like this,
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the ultimate super perfectionist ever.
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Right. If you're trying.
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That's what they're trying to do, because the big thing,
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the biggest thing with the Wayland code base is that they do not want it
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to fall down the same rabbit hole that Xorg did.
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So and a lot of the a lot of the code for the Wayland protocols
|
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is actually really, really cleanly written.
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See, you're never ever, ever going to create a.
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Program of any sort without some kind of bug or flaw.
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OK, you're just never going to.
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I'm not saying that what I'm saying is that they're not trying to make it bug free.
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They're trying to make it so that it's maintainable. Right.
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And by making it maintainable, they they also want to they want to make it
|
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both maintainable and secure at the same time.
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OK, well, I can understand not wanting to open up a.
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A security flaw.
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You know, on purpose, I can understand that.
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But also, you're going to hamstring yourself
|
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not only with this area, but other places, you know, just, you know, if you're not.
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I'm sure I'm sure somebody is going to find a other than Voxrey for hyperland.
|
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Voxrey is a unique edge case.
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I'm sure somebody is going to figure out a way around this.
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It's just a matter of time. But.
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Now I understand why they're doing it,
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because today's security is the most important thing,
|
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especially the thing that happened with me and the TKG drivers.
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We need to now be more aware of things
|
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because he passed just got hacked.
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I'm not going to continue to use Xorg until they pry out of my cold dead hands.
|
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I'm saying, same here, same here.
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We're in the same boat, brother.
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I'm just not.
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Every time I try Wayland, either something goes wrong or I just feel like.
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|
Why?
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|
Like, there's always this question of why, when it comes to why do I like?
|
|
I'm 100% positive.
|
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And from everything I've read, everything Josh has told me,
|
|
other people told me that there are a ton of development reasons
|
|
why Wayland exists and why Wayland is better.
|
|
But from a user facing perspective.
|
|
Oh, no, as users, it's absolutely horrible for us.
|
|
But I just haven't seen any reason why I want to switch to it right there.
|
|
When you come like, for example, just for example, like
|
|
I had the same thing with Pipewire when Pipewire first came out.
|
|
Like, why is this better than Pulse Audio?
|
|
Like Pulse Audio already breaks a lot.
|
|
But at least when it came with like came to Pipewire, when they transitioned to it,
|
|
it was mostly a seamless transition, right?
|
|
Yes, things still break.
|
|
But you didn't have to worry about finding alternatives to literally everything.
|
|
OBS, you know, started supporting Pipewire and everything.
|
|
You know, Firefox and, you know, your your music players and all this stuff
|
|
started supporting Pipewire, and it just was a
|
|
maybe it wasn't a seamless transition, but it wasn't a transition
|
|
that put the onus of transitioning onto the user.
|
|
You know, I mean, like you when you transition to Wayland,
|
|
you basically have to do, I mean, unless you're using GNOME or KDE.
|
|
Outside of that, it's very much a user facing.
|
|
It's your stuff that you have to figure out how to find,
|
|
you know, make sure things work on.
|
|
And if you don't, you can't find something that, you know,
|
|
where, you know, if you can't find alternatives or whatever, it's your fault.
|
|
Have you ever used X-Free 86 before? No.
|
|
OK, the transition for X, X-Free 86 to X11
|
|
was worse than our transition to Wayland.
|
|
Because there was there was no layer of backwards compatibility of X-Wayland.
|
|
That just simply did not exist for X-Free 86.
|
|
So as a result, the transition to X11 was actually rougher than it is today.
|
|
You know, the biggest difference is that we're just we're on platforms
|
|
that are much more sociable than emailing listeners see channels.
|
|
But let me ask you this question, X-Wayland, in order to for an application
|
|
to support X-Wayland, the developer has to do something, right?
|
|
It's not probably not a lot of no, it just works.
|
|
OK, well, then it should be it should theoretically then just be fine.
|
|
But in my experience, it hasn't just, you know, been fine.
|
|
Anyways, I've talked to Tom Blue in the face.
|
|
X-Org is going to be mine until I die.
|
|
X-Org is dead to me.
|
|
It's just it's just a fanaticism over something that's not ready yet.
|
|
They want it to be ready.
|
|
Users are trying their best.
|
|
And I haven't seen a single person that switched or tested
|
|
hyperland or Wayland or anything Wayland related.
|
|
I've only seen them reinstalling and moving distro hopping to something
|
|
that uses X-Org because they either had a lot of issues or they didn't want
|
|
to even bother because the argument that you get a lot of the time
|
|
when it comes to Wayland is there are if your application doesn't work,
|
|
find alternatives.
|
|
But I haven't seen a single person bothering to find alternatives.
|
|
Well, I think for a long time, I think, you know,
|
|
find alternatives waiting for us to suggest them to them.
|
|
Yeah, I think that the biggest thing is that the people behind Wayland are Uber
|
|
and they did this with X-Org too, obviously, because the focus has to be on
|
|
GNOME, has to be on KDE, because that's what the vast majority of people
|
|
are going to use.
|
|
And the developers of other desktop environment,
|
|
window managers are going to be doing things on their own,
|
|
which means they're automatically going to be doing things a little bit
|
|
differently than GNOME or KDE.
|
|
So everything is not quite the same.
|
|
But also, it just it makes it feel not a cohesive strategy, right?
|
|
It just it feels really disjointed a lot of the time.
|
|
And, you know, but the thing is, I think that if you are like a norm,
|
|
the three of us are not normal users,
|
|
especially you, Josh, you're not a normal user.
|
|
I mean, we make videos about it.
|
|
So, of course, we're definitely not normal users.
|
|
But at the same time, the biggest thing is that I and I'm seeing this here
|
|
in the chat where people are going like,
|
|
I'm never going to switch to Wayland.
|
|
I'm just going to stick on X11 for life.
|
|
Are you going to maintain X11?
|
|
Are you going to maintain X11?
|
|
I'm going to continue.
|
|
Are you going to are you going to fork the Xorg project and maintain that?
|
|
Going to continue to use X11 as long as there are X11 window managers to use.
|
|
All right. I just I just wanted to ask because, you know,
|
|
they just barely had enough people for their for their last election.
|
|
Yeah. And it's just going to get worse.
|
|
I'm sure I'm sure it is, but we're we agree here.
|
|
All agree here that we're going to Matt and I will we're going to you.
|
|
What we Matt meant to say is we're going to continue using X11
|
|
until X11 itself.
|
|
I said nobody uses it anymore.
|
|
And all these projects go dormant and dead and become unusable.
|
|
I do. I don't think that it's too much to ask to want things to work.
|
|
You know, it's fine.
|
|
It's fine, Matt, because I'm working on a video series
|
|
where we look through every single possible compositor on Wayland.
|
|
And that right there is and I'm certain and I'm certain
|
|
that you'll find one that you like.
|
|
There's so many compositors and they all do something
|
|
that's a little bit differently.
|
|
And it's it's it's a mess.
|
|
And the thing thing when it comes to.
|
|
Xorg is that they all use Xorg.
|
|
Yes, you could find different compositors
|
|
and you found different window managers and all those things were separated.
|
|
With Wayland, they've tried to cram everything into being the same thing.
|
|
You know, it's the compositors, the windowing service.
|
|
It handles all the screen tearing nonsense.
|
|
It interfaces much closer with all the drivers and the hardware and stuff
|
|
than Xorg ever did. Right.
|
|
It's it's they've tried to.
|
|
So what you're saying is that you want to dedicate
|
|
display server in a separate with a separate composite
|
|
with a separate window manager.
|
|
And I have that. It's called Xorg.
|
|
OK, it's called Mir.
|
|
Yeah, but nobody uses Mir.
|
|
Nobody uses Mir.
|
|
OK, there's a there's a reason why Mir is a dead thing.
|
|
How many Steam games have you launched using Proton?
|
|
Are you telling me Proton uses Mir?
|
|
I'm telling you, GameScope uses Mir.
|
|
I don't know what GameScope even is.
|
|
On Steam Deck, yeah, GameScope is on.
|
|
I just want to think that I'm the the middle ground
|
|
between uber technical and new user, and I just want things to work.
|
|
If I were to use Kate, if I were to use GNOME, Wayland is ready.
|
|
OK, because most of the development to make Wayland really good
|
|
on is good in GNOME. Right.
|
|
Katie slowly getting there.
|
|
But Katie's has been bugger and shit forever.
|
|
Adding some more stuff to it to make even more buggy
|
|
is not going to be something that anybody notices.
|
|
It just continues to be buggy.
|
|
So not a big deal there.
|
|
But the problem is, is that I'm not a Katie or GNOME guy anymore.
|
|
I either prefer XFCE, which I'll be very interested
|
|
to see how XFCE does Wayland, because next version Wayland's coming.
|
|
But I'm also a window manager guy.
|
|
And once you delve into the window manager space,
|
|
Wayland becomes a fucking mess.
|
|
Right. It's just, you know, Sway is doing things their own way.
|
|
Hyperland's got his own stuff.
|
|
So you need a different portal between those different things if you need it.
|
|
And you need to know what portals are in order to do those things, which is fine.
|
|
I mean, you're not expecting a brand new user to use a window manager.
|
|
So you should have some technological know how to switch between packages
|
|
and stuff like that. It's fine.
|
|
But it's just a matter of.
|
|
I haven't found a single window manager out there where I could just install it
|
|
and know that it's going to work out of the box.
|
|
So, for example, if your name is not Josh,
|
|
you can install I3, have it work out of the box.
|
|
It just works, right?
|
|
You're not going to have, you know.
|
|
Sure. Once you get into configuring it and stuff like that,
|
|
you may end up having problems based on skill level problems.
|
|
It's not that I3 doesn't work for me or that it fails to launch or anything like that.
|
|
I just don't like the workflow for it.
|
|
Right. And I mean, that's a good point.
|
|
Not all window managers are for everybody.
|
|
But also fine.
|
|
Qtile, Xmonad, BSPWM.
|
|
You install those things right out of the box.
|
|
Bam. They work.
|
|
I've not seen a single Wayland compositor
|
|
that you can argue that that works that way.
|
|
It's I just haven't found Sway's the closest.
|
|
Sway is the closest.
|
|
But even then, once you get into the configuring it and finding alternatives
|
|
to all the programs and stuff like that, she is just.
|
|
Anyways, guys, which I said at the beginning, no tangents.
|
|
It's it's fine.
|
|
Can we talk about Mozilla selling out at least?
|
|
We're going to go to Steve next.
|
|
Oh, OK. Steve, your first link.
|
|
My first my first link.
|
|
It's talking about Plasma 6 and why I'm angry with them.
|
|
Not angry, just not really happy.
|
|
Oh, you want to continue the debate. All right.
|
|
It's not continuing the debate.
|
|
It's it's another part of the debate.
|
|
KDE decided to want to switch to Wayland by default.
|
|
And we have as maintainers to do the work and more work to disable Wayland
|
|
because we are Xorg fanatics, as Matt and I said.
|
|
But yeah, they're going to switch default better for better defaults.
|
|
Wayland, by example.
|
|
And they're going to switch
|
|
to double click by default, which that's the worst.
|
|
That's the worst change ever.
|
|
I think that's my favorite change.
|
|
Single click for life, man.
|
|
It's the way that that's what made Katie good.
|
|
Double click for life.
|
|
It's an option you can enable in Nautilus.
|
|
I know it's it's it's never hidden that feature from you.
|
|
It's an option you can enable in every single file manager.
|
|
I am actually except for Crusader Crusader doesn't have the option.
|
|
So yeah, I'm a double click guy.
|
|
I get off and I get my muscle.
|
|
I cannot get my muscle memory to get used to a single click.
|
|
Well, once you move laptops, I understand.
|
|
But once you move to it, you would never switch back.
|
|
The thing is, when I first started using Linux, I found I started
|
|
using the single click because I was a plasma guy
|
|
and it was single click by default back then.
|
|
And once you once you get used to it, you started that way.
|
|
I didn't start that way.
|
|
I'm coming from Windows and I come to this is simple.
|
|
A click is my first ever experience with single click
|
|
was when I accidentally executed a bash script.
|
|
That blew up my home directory.
|
|
So I have I think you understand my concern.
|
|
Honestly, hold on.
|
|
But let's just parse out that statement for just a minute.
|
|
Somewhere along the line, Josh, I'm assuming he was like five years old
|
|
or something when we managed to get to get into a file manager
|
|
somewhere and decided that it was a good idea to double click on a bash script.
|
|
Well, you see, my assumption is that the bash script was not executable
|
|
because, you know, when you back in the day, when you download files off the internet,
|
|
they didn't you didn't get file permissions with it yet.
|
|
So so it would just pull down with default file permissions.
|
|
Well, somehow I completely missed that the HCT protocol
|
|
enabled file for file permissions for Unix based operating systems.
|
|
So I didn't read that this bash script, which, you know,
|
|
normally I would just double click on, which would open a text editor
|
|
because that was my workflow at the time.
|
|
Right. And, you know, right click and specified open
|
|
and text editor like I do nowadays because I learned.
|
|
But, you know, I I I downloaded this bash script on the internet
|
|
because, you know, I just wanted to parse through real quick,
|
|
you know, just give it a good check before, you know, I executed it.
|
|
So I double left click.
|
|
Well, I single left clicked it, it's executed
|
|
and it wiped out my home director before I even knew what happened.
|
|
Oh, that sucks.
|
|
We started a war in the chat, by the way.
|
|
We've moved on from one Linux nerd battle, Wayland versus Xorg
|
|
to double click versus single click all in one session.
|
|
It's great.
|
|
It's fine.
|
|
Other thing they enabled by they changed,
|
|
not that made default is humongous thumbnail tab.
|
|
Yeah.
|
|
Now, when you click Alt tab, you get the preview of the application.
|
|
Applications.
|
|
I like that. That's what I use.
|
|
The cover flow alt tab on GNOME and on KDE.
|
|
So I'm good.
|
|
Oh, the thing that I said, they're bringing floating panels by default.
|
|
Just to guess it was at Nikolo that said that the reason why they're doing this
|
|
was because they didn't want to look like windows anymore.
|
|
Is that? Yes. OK.
|
|
Well, their solution prior on default KDE Plasma
|
|
was I would just pop up on the left side of the screen
|
|
and vertically sort through the tabs, which is something I never
|
|
I myself never really particularly enjoyed.
|
|
Well, my my problem with the vertical tab switcher
|
|
was that it occupied the same space as activities.
|
|
So if you were an activities user and accidentally, you know,
|
|
especially if you had a key buying that was similar to Alt tab,
|
|
maybe use control tab or something like that to switch between.
|
|
I think I think they're going to modify that as well.
|
|
But he didn't mention it.
|
|
I hope they're not the I hope they're not the same UI.
|
|
I hope that they I hope that they enable virtual virtual
|
|
workspaces by default instead of activities in Plasma six,
|
|
because, you know, I don't like activities.
|
|
All right. You guys know me.
|
|
I'm big. I hoard tabs, but I also hoard workspaces
|
|
and activities gives you more work.
|
|
So it is so the best thing about activity.
|
|
So you can set up four virtual workspaces and then use many different activities.
|
|
That means you can have as many
|
|
workspaces as you want without having to set up like 20 of them
|
|
and you think you're trying to figure out why your computer
|
|
doesn't want to shut down because, you know, you got like things open
|
|
and just random activity all the way over there.
|
|
And who shuts their computer down?
|
|
It's called reboot because I updated my kernel.
|
|
I just stand the same kernel. It's fine.
|
|
I'm sure it's fine.
|
|
There's it's not mentioned in this article, but Nicolo mentioned it
|
|
in one of his videos.
|
|
They're up there
|
|
rehauling the overview.
|
|
The overview will will also have
|
|
vertical.
|
|
They will allow you to have horizontal workspaces, vertical workspaces.
|
|
Are you talking about the expose thing that they stole from Mac?
|
|
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
|
|
Not not the man from they call it.
|
|
We stole it from Gnome.
|
|
Who stole it from Mac?
|
|
OK. Well, really, so
|
|
I think I'm actually had it before Mac probably did.
|
|
And I think anyway, early Gnome three.
|
|
Well, I don't know.
|
|
Expose and Mac has been around for a very long time.
|
|
So it'd be I don't know.
|
|
It doesn't matter because has anybody ever actually used that was a
|
|
feature? I used to use it.
|
|
Oh, not on Mac, but I have used the active.
|
|
I have used the activities overview on plasma.
|
|
On purpose or just by accident?
|
|
On purpose, because I was trying to turn plasma into Gnome.
|
|
Oh, OK.
|
|
Steve does a better job.
|
|
Also, get off my podcast.
|
|
I use expose at work because we had to.
|
|
We used to have the calculator and the tax, the taxes
|
|
and whatever an expose we need to do quickly.
|
|
I mean, when you have lots and lots of windows open
|
|
and using a floating window manager, that kind of workflow is actually
|
|
a bit of a game changer, especially, you know, if you're if you're
|
|
not doing the proper thing where you're splitting windows
|
|
into different virtual workspaces and everything.
|
|
And and back then and with Apple, just the gesture thing,
|
|
you just do that and you get the expose and
|
|
you can do your your stuff quickly when the customer
|
|
is right there in front of you waiting.
|
|
So that helped a lot.
|
|
But also in the overview that you're going to be able to
|
|
vertically stack workspaces.
|
|
Actual workspaces vertically stacked them in or windows
|
|
vertically stacked them, or you can have tiles of of work.
|
|
Yeah, but they're not dynamic yet, are they?
|
|
No, not yet.
|
|
I hear all working on it.
|
|
I hear all these features that they're adding for the next version of plasma.
|
|
I was like, oh, man, that's going to wait.
|
|
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
|
|
No, wait, of course, there will be bugs.
|
|
That's that's inherent with every new feature. But
|
|
starting next year, they're going to release only two versions
|
|
during every year.
|
|
And during the in-between time, they're going to be squashing bugs.
|
|
So we they said, expect more bugs
|
|
to be squashed than ever before.
|
|
I hope that's true, because
|
|
KD is one of those things you just want to love.
|
|
But every time you use it, it just pisses all over your face.
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They're slowing down on the releases.
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They're slowing down on the releases.
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And they're going to be squashing more bugs and more bugs
|
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because they admitted that they have way more bugs than a project should have.
|
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Especially the fact that, you know, how I praised
|
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I kept praising
|
|
Dolphin for having this
|
|
feature where it remembers sessions.
|
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Every time I open it, it remembers where I left off.
|
|
Well, that feature decided to break in the latest KDE Gear release.
|
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It has to be something to do with an underlying technology,
|
|
because Crusader apparently uses that same thing
|
|
because it also broke in Crusader for a little while.
|
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It has been fixed in Crusader, thank goodness.
|
|
But it hasn't been fixed, but it has been fixed.
|
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But it won't come to KDE until KDE Gear
|
|
24.04.23.04.2.
|
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Yeah, I think Crusader handles all that packaging on its own.
|
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So it's kind of separated out because it's not default.
|
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For KDE, it's until June 6th.
|
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It's coming on June 6th.
|
|
But the developer and the maintainer said one thing at the end
|
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and the bug in the bug report.
|
|
It's not merged yet, and it's not for sure going to be merged.
|
|
But there is a new version of Dolphin coming in KDE Gear
|
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and the new version of KDE on June 6th.
|
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The fix might be there.
|
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It might not be there.
|
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So I'm like,
|
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come on.
|
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Yeah, just download Crusader, you'll be happy.
|
|
Anyway, that's my news article.
|
|
It's a simple one, because the next one, my second one is the big one.
|
|
OK, because I have so little to say about it.
|
|
But anyways, the my first one is that Microsoft has
|
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is trying to seduce Firefox into ditching Google and switching to Bing.
|
|
Now, I support this change.
|
|
Money, money, money.
|
|
Really? Yeah, I actually do.
|
|
You think you think Bing is better than Google or you have other reasons?
|
|
Now, I honestly think that Firefox has been monopolized by Google for too long.
|
|
So it's nice to show that they're at least willing to talk to other people.
|
|
So them switching to Bing is probably not a bad eye.
|
|
It is not.
|
|
It allows Firefox to be a little bit more competitive with their prices.
|
|
You go like, hey, we switched to Bing away from you, Google.
|
|
You're going to pay us even more.
|
|
Because every time, every strategy,
|
|
every time that that Google has renewed with Firefox,
|
|
the amount has actually never changed.
|
|
And that is not how you run a business.
|
|
Every time you renew, every time you go to renew contracts,
|
|
the business is supposed to upcharge.
|
|
Yes, it's been like 400 million.
|
|
Yeah, yeah.
|
|
So honestly, Firefox, I honestly think that if Microsoft is actually
|
|
if these talks are actually happening and Microsoft is willing to pony up
|
|
some money, money to Mozilla, then yes, Mozilla should go with the change.
|
|
But Bing is the wrong one.
|
|
I mean, yeah, Bing is the wrong search engine.
|
|
But at the same time, it's not that hard to change, change the search engine
|
|
in Firefox. In fact, it's easier than it is in Chrome.
|
|
Yeah, I always change it to search anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
|
|
But yeah, yeah, I think I understand your point.
|
|
I think I agree with you, Josh.
|
|
If they can manage to get more money out of it.
|
|
I'm glad that somebody somebody on one of the hosts agrees with me on this podcast.
|
|
I mean, that never happens at the end of the day.
|
|
What does it matter?
|
|
All it matters is how much money they can possibly squeeze out of that rock
|
|
until it dies.
|
|
And if they if they can make Google
|
|
even if they just kind of create a bidding war,
|
|
like maybe they just sit there and like it's an eBay auction for Firefox.
|
|
It just keeps going up and up and up.
|
|
And you get as much money as they possibly can or create
|
|
like a Bing version of Firefox sponsored by Bing, you know.
|
|
And then, you know, Mozilla making in more money.
|
|
Hopefully they can, you know, not pay their CEO like.
|
|
Oh, no, he's that CEO is definitely getting a raise.
|
|
Of course. And they'll still start about six other projects
|
|
that have nothing to do with Firefox.
|
|
Yeah, probably.
|
|
But, you know, Mozilla making more money means that Mozilla stays relevant for longer.
|
|
So I'm fine with it.
|
|
But speaking of search engines,
|
|
I had to I recently had to
|
|
force Dr. Go
|
|
because Matt had a point.
|
|
Dr. Go sucks.
|
|
It's so bad.
|
|
It's just so bad. So bad.
|
|
I even tested it by searching for
|
|
Nvidia dash all TKG.
|
|
Any search other search engine puts the correct search result
|
|
way on top that go six page.
|
|
So here's the thing about Dr.
|
|
Go is that it depends.
|
|
The results for what you're searching for differ by person.
|
|
So I tooted about this on Macedon.
|
|
I posted something about Dr.
|
|
Go being crap, and I posted the exact search term that I use.
|
|
I don't remember what it is now.
|
|
Someone else searched for the exact same thing with the exact phrase
|
|
and had different search results than I had.
|
|
And then it turned out so I was searching for how to do something.
|
|
And it turns out if I had removed the how to part of it,
|
|
I'd get different results based on just having the how to because that
|
|
I can't remember what is a broad term maybe for Dr.
|
|
Go. Well, it kept bringing up Nvidia results when I was searching for
|
|
I don't remember what I was actually searching for.
|
|
I apologize for that. But whatever it was, it was bringing up
|
|
it had two things that had the exact same name and it was bringing up.
|
|
Oh, it was Nano.
|
|
It was it was bringing up the Nvidia Nano thing with the single board computer.
|
|
And it was only doing that for me, for everybody else.
|
|
It was bringing up actual Nanos.
|
|
I was looking for ways of, you know, configuring Nano,
|
|
you know, specific options and stuff like that.
|
|
And it kept bringing up the wrong thing.
|
|
So, yeah, Dr. Go is horrible.
|
|
But on top of that, like there are a lot of bad searches out there.
|
|
Cirques even half the time doesn't give me what I want.
|
|
But I put up with Cirques because I know that it's, you know, privacy focused
|
|
and you can do a lot of tweaking in order to make the search results better.
|
|
You know, you can search for I just went back to Google.
|
|
You know, it's fine.
|
|
But with Dr. Go, not only is it bad, but it's like super fucking slow.
|
|
Like it's been so slowly.
|
|
It's just like sometimes it takes like 15 to 20 seconds for the page to load.
|
|
And it's ridiculous.
|
|
Not only that, try an image search.
|
|
It filters. It has such a hardened filter.
|
|
I get like two, three pages. That's it.
|
|
On Google, it tells you, it asks you on Google, it asks you,
|
|
do you want copyright free or all licenses or filter by license or whatever?
|
|
Even if I tell it, I want the license free ones.
|
|
I get hundreds and hundreds of pages.
|
|
Why is Duck Duck Go so stupid and hard
|
|
to give it to give me image?
|
|
I can't take an opinion because I use a brave search.
|
|
Well, at least with least with Brave, they're using their own indexing, right?
|
|
Yeah. So you're getting the benefit of knowing that you're not having to pull
|
|
from Google anyways or pulling from Bing, which Duck Duck Go
|
|
doesn't do anything other than just pull from Bing.
|
|
They have no indexing of their own.
|
|
You want to use our own user agent that still that still identifies you.
|
|
So it's not really like privacy focused at all.
|
|
It just offers you no benefits for crappier search results.
|
|
And the thing is, like, I've used Bing before,
|
|
and I don't remember the search results being that bad.
|
|
I mean, they're bad. They're not as good as Google.
|
|
But it seems like the Duck Duck Go paid Bing for worse search results somehow.
|
|
It just it's it's. Yeah.
|
|
And if you want a worse experience, just try their browser on.
|
|
Well, nobody now only exists on Mac OS.
|
|
But on Mac OS and iOS, I use I have.
|
|
I don't use I have the Duck Duck Go browser.
|
|
Let's just say it's a clone of Firefox.
|
|
They use WebKit, of course, because they're on Apple.
|
|
But they just just use a search search index.
|
|
If you're even slower, it's even slower.
|
|
I mean, yeah, it's low.
|
|
But when it comes to, you know, like search results,
|
|
I don't care about performance.
|
|
I just want accurate results.
|
|
And that's not even after Google, because Google Google search results
|
|
have gone way down. They have gotten worse.
|
|
So the thing about search results is that you can be
|
|
there's that whole saying you can either have fast and good,
|
|
but you can't do both at the same time.
|
|
You know, but the problem with Duck Duck Go and several other ones
|
|
is that it's neither fast nor good.
|
|
You can't be just that's just bad.
|
|
You know, it's just it's just bad.
|
|
At least when you use Google, it can be slow.
|
|
It can be mediocre search results, but it's fast. Right.
|
|
Or you can use like, you know, you know, you use Bing
|
|
or you can use Brave Search or whatever, but you're getting,
|
|
you know, mediocre results. But at least it's fast.
|
|
You know, you can't you can't be you can't just suck at everything
|
|
and expect people to use you.
|
|
I'll tell you why I started using Duck Duck Go in the first place,
|
|
because Google detects your geolocation.
|
|
And since I'm in Lebanon, it always gives me results in Arabic.
|
|
I don't care for that language.
|
|
I want everything in English, everything on the web I want in English.
|
|
So I I switched to Duck Duck Go because Duck Duck Go
|
|
never gives me anything in Arabic.
|
|
It doesn't detect my location.
|
|
It gives me an option to search by according to my location.
|
|
But I disable that. It gives you the option to disable it.
|
|
That's why I started using Duck Duck Go.
|
|
But now, like, I will take your Arabic results, Google, please,
|
|
because Duck Duck Go is like in the crapper.
|
|
There needs to be a really good search.
|
|
I divorced it. Brave has, I think, some potential to be good.
|
|
But I don't think it's there yet.
|
|
Anyway, it's fine, though, because I want to talk about
|
|
all your video games potentially breaking.
|
|
Yeah. All right. Anyway, before we jump into
|
|
the video game stuff and Intel and stuff,
|
|
we're going to go to move into the contact information.
|
|
If you want to get in contact with us, you can do so in any number of ways.
|
|
The best way to do so is head on over to the website, which is the Linuxcast.org.
|
|
There you'll find previous episodes and all my blog posts.
|
|
I write a blog post every week and you can read all of those there.
|
|
Leave a comment. I'd love to have you leave a comment there
|
|
because very few people leave comments because it turns out
|
|
if you force people to have a GitHub account in order to make a comment.
|
|
Not a good idea, apparently.
|
|
I really wish utterances would at least use GitLab, but it doesn't matter.
|
|
Anyways, you can support me on Patreon at patreon.com
|
|
slash Linuxcast.
|
|
You can subscribe to my channel at youtube.com slash Linuxcast.
|
|
Josh, you can find all of his contact information at tenleyj.com
|
|
slash stalker. Steve is on YouTube at youtube.com slash at zero Linux.
|
|
Zero with an X, not a Z.
|
|
All of his other stuff will be available on the website,
|
|
which you can find at thelinxcast.org slash contact.
|
|
There you'll find all of the contact information I just said,
|
|
along with the Discord server, email address, all that kind of stuff.
|
|
So thelinxcast.org slash contact was where you can find most of that stuff.
|
|
If you don't want to just type in stuff, you can go actually click on actual links.
|
|
So that's the contact information.
|
|
So who who's going next?
|
|
What's next?
|
|
I was first, so I'll go next.
|
|
All right. So you're doing the Intel stuff, right?
|
|
Yep. All right.
|
|
So Intel is has pushed a proposal for a new x86 standard
|
|
called x86-S, which is 64 bit only.
|
|
This is not reverse compatible.
|
|
This is not backwards compatible at all.
|
|
This specification is just for x86.
|
|
And because Intel is a chip maker,
|
|
they're probably going to be they might actually just produce these chips
|
|
because we got the 2038 issue that is coming with 32 bit CPUs no matter what,
|
|
which means that after 2038, your 32 bit applications,
|
|
otherwise known as your Steam games or Steam itself, who knows,
|
|
might potentially just quit working entirely in seg faulting almost immediately
|
|
and potentially even taking down your whole system when you go to go to attempt
|
|
to launch them because, you know, computer errors.
|
|
But this is a thing that is probably going to be happening.
|
|
And at the after, if this actually comes to make a change,
|
|
you can still virtualize 32 bit architectures.
|
|
So you would so you would have to play your video games in a video machine,
|
|
which then raises issues with anti-cheat.
|
|
So game compatibility in Linux has been getting great these these years.
|
|
So here in the future, when this comes out,
|
|
we get to see Linux once again not working with video games.
|
|
Go forward, then go backward.
|
|
Yep. But honestly,
|
|
you shouldn't be using a 32 bit system anyway,
|
|
unless like it's a micro micro controller of some kind.
|
|
Be honest, these days, most games have a 64 bit binary.
|
|
So yeah, the game binary itself does.
|
|
But the libraries that that binary is calling well, oftentimes,
|
|
there's a reason why you have to have the multi-lib or whatever it is
|
|
for Steam on Arch. Right.
|
|
The the thing is that that's going to be a.
|
|
Valve has done such a good job of getting Linux
|
|
games to work or Windows games to work on Linux and stuff like that
|
|
with compatibility layers and Proton and Wine and all this stuff.
|
|
It feels like they're going to come up with some kind of emulation layer
|
|
for this as well.
|
|
I mean, I don't know the technical thing.
|
|
Maybe it's not even possible, but it feels like because you can emulate,
|
|
you know, probably six 16 bit and stuff like that in games
|
|
on in emulators and stuff. Right.
|
|
So, yeah, in theory, you know, in theory,
|
|
you could do the same thing with 32 bit performance.
|
|
The thing is, like if your game is relying on 32 bit libraries completely,
|
|
it's probably not probably doesn't have super duper anti-cheat attached to it.
|
|
You wouldn't think because most of those games are going to be pretty older.
|
|
Right. If your game is newer, not always.
|
|
There are still there are still video games coming out these days.
|
|
There are still 32 bit cyberpunk cyberpunk 2077 being a prime example of it.
|
|
Sounds like we need to have a talk with game developers
|
|
because it's it's time to move on.
|
|
Not even the game developers that are responsible for is the game engines
|
|
are that are responsible for. All right.
|
|
Epic. Fuck off.
|
|
Yeah, exactly.
|
|
Why is Epic always ruining our day?
|
|
Yeah, Epic is literally ruining our day
|
|
as well as Unity.
|
|
And thankfully, Godot, I believe, is 64 bit only.
|
|
Great. The the the the one game engine that nobody wants to use.
|
|
OK. Yeah, I'm surprised.
|
|
I'm surprised the drawdown from 32 bit has has taken this long, to be honest with you.
|
|
It feels like it's it's just been dragging.
|
|
It feels like we've been drawing down from 32 bit for at least 10 years.
|
|
We're still not 100 percent there.
|
|
And I know I know a ton of people in the Linux community
|
|
who are still running 32 bit operating systems, like a ton of people.
|
|
It's kind of nuts how many people I know is still running.
|
|
They just don't want to they just don't want to buy new hardware.
|
|
Well, then I keep I keep getting keep getting questions on the channel.
|
|
Like, hey, what's the best 32 bit?
|
|
You know, just you're out there.
|
|
I was like, well, I have to think about it for a minute
|
|
because there's not that many left.
|
|
The default answer is Debian unless you want to go into it.
|
|
Well, Debian or anything based on Debian, because like a lot of
|
|
MX Linux still has it.
|
|
You know, there's there's I think Sparky still has one.
|
|
So if you're 32,
|
|
Ard still has a 32 bit ISO.
|
|
Not official.
|
|
It's it's a community project.
|
|
Oh, OK. Well, that's that's we have some issues with their GPG keys.
|
|
That's where 32 bit is going to go to die is with community distros.
|
|
Anyways, that's it for that.
|
|
That one, Steve, why don't you tell us about yours?
|
|
You're you seem very, very excited about this
|
|
non-existent piece of crap.
|
|
So much. That was a pre-show topic.
|
|
Steve, yours.
|
|
OK, there's there's the steam deck has competition
|
|
now, a real competition danger zone danger zone.
|
|
It's called the ASUS ROG.
|
|
Everybody calls it the alley.
|
|
It's got the ally.
|
|
And what I meant by competition, the same price range.
|
|
The top and the same day.
|
|
It's six ninety nine.
|
|
And boy is it does.
|
|
Does it have the specs paper that is
|
|
it's got a AMD Ryzen Z1 extreme processor with 16 gigabytes
|
|
of RAM, DDR5 RAM, which is 6400 mega transfers per second
|
|
that of the six, I think, six thousand of the steam deck.
|
|
But the same next still using DDR4, I think.
|
|
On the DR5, but it's slower.
|
|
Five hundred and twelve gigabytes PCIe.
|
|
And that's the only storage that you will get on the ally.
|
|
You don't have lower or higher until so far.
|
|
But it has been tested and I've been watching following ETA Prime.
|
|
It's on YouTube, whose sole purpose in life is
|
|
viewing different machines for emulation.
|
|
And he surely tested it.
|
|
And the worst part of the ally, the thing that brings it down
|
|
in my mind is the fact that it's running Windows.
|
|
And in their presentation, Keynote mentioned Windows
|
|
like one point five billion times.
|
|
Well, it's because Microsoft was a partner in its creation.
|
|
Yeah, I had to mention the deal.
|
|
The Verge reviewed it and they didn't seem impressed.
|
|
Let me get to that point.
|
|
I was I was excited, too.
|
|
I was excited and super hyped because I'm a steam deck owner
|
|
and I wanted to see competition for it for this competition is healthy.
|
|
It fell on its face.
|
|
I guess the steam because the steam deck does has a lot of optimization done here.
|
|
They just on this on the allied, it just slapped
|
|
a very technical
|
|
tweaking system that regular users are just not going to use.
|
|
Simply not going to use a non optimized version of Windows on there,
|
|
which is just I mean, just Windows 11.
|
|
That's it. All they had to do was defaulted to steam big picture mode.
|
|
But the problem is that they don't want to limit people to steam.
|
|
They want you to.
|
|
Yeah, it boots to the desktop.
|
|
That's the weirdest part.
|
|
And they also need like valves permission to prepackage steam.
|
|
Yeah. Well, here's here's the thing.
|
|
ETA Prime flashed, tried to flash
|
|
hollow ISO on it, make it on par with the steam deck.
|
|
It didn't work
|
|
because the hollow ISO hasn't been updated since November last year.
|
|
So he then tried Chimera OS. Yeah.
|
|
Chimera OS.
|
|
OK, it works, but it cannot access the TDP settings.
|
|
And there's a lot of broken things here and there.
|
|
So this device, I think they made sure that Linux doesn't work very well on it
|
|
because they're so heavily endorsed by Microsoft.
|
|
Yeah, it sucks.
|
|
Sucks. It brings it down.
|
|
It's it's it's not what it should be.
|
|
It had potential.
|
|
OK, so there's two ways of looking at this that I think first.
|
|
And this is the way you should look at it right now, is that steam,
|
|
the valve is very fortunate that this thing came out
|
|
and similar ones like this came out after the steam deck had general availability.
|
|
Because if this thing had come out, you know,
|
|
10 months ago when it was still kind of hard to get a steam deck,
|
|
you know, this thing would have gained a lot more traction
|
|
because people would have been, you know, out there searching for alternatives
|
|
more because they would want something like the steam deck
|
|
because they couldn't get a steam deck.
|
|
Now you can go buy a steam deck and have it delivered in the next few days, right?
|
|
It's just available to you.
|
|
So there's no there's not that fear of missing out thing
|
|
that it would have experienced if the steam deck was still pretty rare.
|
|
But the the place where this kind of scares me,
|
|
and we talked about this before when it comes to the steam deck,
|
|
is that Valve is not known for doing very well with sequels
|
|
when they come, you know,
|
|
and they're good at the initial sequel, but the one after doesn't exist.
|
|
Well, no, no, no, no.
|
|
Software games, whatever, fine.
|
|
When it comes to hardware, at least they don't do sequels.
|
|
Like the the index hasn't seen a sequel.
|
|
It's been available for at least five years.
|
|
The the steam controller never had a sequel.
|
|
The they also can't do anything with the steam controller
|
|
because, you know, they got sued over it.
|
|
Well, whatever.
|
|
Oh, I'm saying is suing the steam deck now.
|
|
Yeah, yeah, it's the exact same company I sued them last time.
|
|
I think when it when it comes wrong on that, when it comes to hardware,
|
|
they don't do sequels well at all.
|
|
OK, but one thing you can say about Windows hardware
|
|
is that it's very plentiful and gets updated a lot.
|
|
OK, so this ASUS ROG ally will have a second version next year.
|
|
OK, there's a good chance it's successful.
|
|
Well, even if it's even as moderately,
|
|
if 10 people buy it, they'll make another one.
|
|
OK, that's just the way Windows things work.
|
|
They'll at least give it a second generation for sure.
|
|
There's a good chance that we won't see a second version of the Steam Deck
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next year or the next year or the year after that. OK. Yeah.
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The big thing that concerns me with the steam deck has a big community behind it.
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That's the biggest difference between that and the Steam Deck and the Windows stuff.
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They won't have a lot of communities behind them,
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but the Steam Deck has customizations, communities and stuff like that.
|
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This as the ally has the screen that the Steam Deck should have had.
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120 Hertz, 1080p screen.
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What were you saying?
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Here's the thing is that this is that I don't think that the ally
|
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is going to affect the Steam Deck by any means, simply because of how
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Steam Deck is still number one because of the large momentum behind the Steam Deck.
|
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What I'm concerned about is all of the other hand held computing devices.
|
|
I'm talking about stuff like the what is it?
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The Ion Neo and then there's like four other ones.
|
|
Yeah, these those companies are much smaller
|
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and they're the ones that are selling their devices for like a thousand plus dollars.
|
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Whereas, you know, Asus can afford to, you know, not make as much of a margin as they are.
|
|
Asus is going to make other devices like this.
|
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And that was my point was that these companies and even the smaller ones
|
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are going to be able to iterate much faster than Valve is going to.
|
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So you're right, Steve.
|
|
The Valve and the Steam Deck have momentum right now
|
|
and they have the community behind them right now.
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But how long does that community?
|
|
I mean, the Linux guys are going to stick around the Steam Deck for a very long time
|
|
because they stick around on 32 bit for a very long time.
|
|
But the people who came to Linux because of the Steam Deck
|
|
are eventually going to be wowed by higher specs.
|
|
An OLED screen, a 120 Hertz screen, you know,
|
|
a higher end processor, the ability to play a triple A game like a year and a half.
|
|
And the only time the only time the only time I see this thing
|
|
being a real competitor to the Steam Deck is when because this will happen.
|
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This will happen. And we all know that Linux distro will come out.
|
|
Works 100 percent flawlessly that
|
|
let's say the Holo ISO gets updated to support that thing.
|
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It becomes identical to the Steam Deck with no issues
|
|
and everything working on it out of the box.
|
|
And because ETA Prime in some games on Chimera OS
|
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got as high as 80 and 70 and 80 frames per second on 1080p medium.
|
|
Well, OK, so two things there.
|
|
First, I don't I'm not worried about this version of the ROG Ally.
|
|
This version here is never going to it's going to be the next one
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and the next one after that or a similar version from another company,
|
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wherever the ability to iterate faster because the Steam Deck
|
|
is going to be the same for a long time for a very long time.
|
|
That's what worries me.
|
|
But the other thing is, is that and maybe this is Valve's, you know, pocket ace.
|
|
They will eventually release Steam OS for other hardware.
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|
They've said that they're going to do it.
|
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It hasn't happened yet.
|
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Eventually, they'll have an official steam ISO.
|
|
That's that's where the possibility of other hardware
|
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being interesting from a steam involved perspective comes into play.
|
|
But it hasn't happened yet.
|
|
And you can't trust Valve to release anything in a reasonable amount of time.
|
|
I mean, they're very, very small company.
|
|
You know, compared to Microsoft and, you know, ASUS.
|
|
So you can there's a reason why they're still moving.
|
|
It feels like the entire company is always focused on one thing.
|
|
And then when they get done with that one thing, they move on to the next thing.
|
|
Right. They don't have, you know, you know what else makes the Steam Deck
|
|
still number one, the visibility of the of the Steam Deck.
|
|
You can replace the joystick with Halifax joysticks.
|
|
You can upgrade the storage. You can do this.
|
|
You can do that with the ally. You're locked down.
|
|
You cannot do shit.
|
|
Yeah. Speaking of upgrading the Steam Deck.
|
|
Hey, look at their transition.
|
|
FX technology has come out
|
|
or they're teasing a screen update for the Steam Deck.
|
|
And it is now remember nobody's really tried this yet,
|
|
but it sounds like utter garbage.
|
|
So, first of all, not even they're moving it to 10 to 1920 by 1020
|
|
1920 by 1200, which is the upgraded screen that they're offering.
|
|
But it's not higher.
|
|
It's not higher refresh rate.
|
|
Not all that, which I wasn't really expecting all that anyways.
|
|
But you would expect to have at least, you know, 90 hertz, you know,
|
|
but it's still 60 hertz.
|
|
And the only other improvement seems that they're moving to a better color
|
|
range, the 74 percent Adobe RGB coverage versus the 45 percent they're at now.
|
|
So colors will be better. So those are the two options.
|
|
So the way I look at this, like, first of all, like Steve said, you can
|
|
you can update or you can upgrade your Steam Deck.
|
|
That's really freaking cool.
|
|
But this particular upgrade doesn't seem to be doing anything worthwhile
|
|
because when I look at it, it's also pretty involved.
|
|
Well, yeah, it's going to be tech.
|
|
Yeah, it's going to be you're going to want to I'm assuming
|
|
there's going to probably be some soldering.
|
|
I don't know.
|
|
You don't you don't need solder or anything,
|
|
but you do have to basically take the entire device apart.
|
|
There's nothing hard wired in the Steam Deck.
|
|
No, it's just connectors.
|
|
Valve actually has a video posting of them tearing apart a Steam Deck.
|
|
But the big thing is the biggest thing is that your is that you're dealing
|
|
with a bunch of ribbon cables that are really, really delicate.
|
|
And you have to disconnect them all.
|
|
And it's similar to taking apart a phone.
|
|
So yeah, it's but basically during assembly,
|
|
the screen is the very first thing put into into the chassis.
|
|
So as a result, it's going to be the very last thing you take out of the chassis.
|
|
So it so realistically, I wouldn't say
|
|
that you buy the screen as an upgrade.
|
|
You buy it because you need a new screen.
|
|
Well, and you know, it's ninety nine dollars.
|
|
Why not pay for the upgrade?
|
|
Well, it'd be nice if it was an actual it felt like an upgrade to me.
|
|
To me, like a higher resolution is not what I need on a Steam Deck
|
|
because it's such a small screen.
|
|
So the pixels, I mean, who pixels?
|
|
I mean, it's just the Steam Deck is already is already
|
|
what's referred to as pixel perfect or retina.
|
|
If you're from the Apple and what people would want is a higher
|
|
refresh rate, OLED, if you're going to if you're going to, you know, go that far.
|
|
Those are the two two things that would make the upgrade worth it to me.
|
|
But also, no matter what kind of upgrade you're searching for,
|
|
even if you're just going for the higher resolution like this is,
|
|
the Steam Deck's battery is already not great when you're using it, right?
|
|
It's you know, you get three, four hours, maybe, right?
|
|
This is going to cut that in half.
|
|
You know, if you're lucky. Yeah.
|
|
You know, it's just
|
|
I don't know.
|
|
So you're just going to run it.
|
|
You're going to run a lower display resolution anyway for the battery savings.
|
|
And honestly, I agree with with
|
|
a googly googler in the chat where he's just like, yeah,
|
|
he'd rather have a higher refresher, higher 120 hertz with variable refresh rate.
|
|
Well, it just you know, honestly, I would do.
|
|
It just feels like the processes you'd have to go to upgrade
|
|
and the downside of the battery isn't a
|
|
the value that you're getting for those things isn't high enough.
|
|
Like I said, you're not buying this for the sake of upgrading.
|
|
You're just buying it because you need a replacement screen.
|
|
You just don't feel like buying it from Valve.
|
|
And, you know, some people are going to look at the higher
|
|
a higher higher thing and think that it's an upgrade.
|
|
But I don't think that it's an upgrade.
|
|
Yeah, I mean, it's not necessarily an upgrade.
|
|
It's just one of those things.
|
|
Let's let's see. What's the cost of a Steam Deck screen right now?
|
|
You can get an I fix it, right?
|
|
Yeah, I'm looking at I fix it because they are the official store
|
|
for Steam Deck parts for the 512 gigabyte version of the screen.
|
|
It's ninety nine dollars.
|
|
It's the same price.
|
|
It's the same exact price.
|
|
But if you had to replace your screen,
|
|
you might as well go with the higher resolution one.
|
|
Yeah, it's the same price.
|
|
But if you're searching for if you're searching for this
|
|
because you're expecting it to be an upgrade, it's not.
|
|
It's not the upgrade.
|
|
If it had had if it had a higher refresh rate, it'd be awesome.
|
|
It's more of a downgrade.
|
|
It's more of a downgrade on the battery battery front.
|
|
Yeah. Honestly, though, I have looked into like LCD screen production before,
|
|
and it is actually kind of hard to find like a small screen like that.
|
|
That's actually good.
|
|
That's not like smaller because typically typically small screens
|
|
that have like the ridiculously high refresh rates are phone sized
|
|
and not exactly seven inches or tablet sized.
|
|
The only one that really owns that market is Apple because iPads.
|
|
Other than that.
|
|
Well, you find really all of the cheap ones in the fucking world.
|
|
Samsung is the only display manufacturer, really.
|
|
I mean, LG has kind of gotten into it.
|
|
But the Samsung, if you want to source a display
|
|
between the five point nine and eight inch display range,
|
|
it has to come from it has to come from Samsung.
|
|
And and they're so caught up when it comes to contract with Apple
|
|
and doing their own stuff that I mean, a small company is going to have
|
|
a really hard time getting merchandise from them when it comes to this kind of stuff.
|
|
Plus, I'm sure I'm sure that there's the whole it's like a licensing chipsets
|
|
and stuff from Qualcomm or whatever.
|
|
You have to deal with all the licenses and patent shit and stuff.
|
|
So it is it's just another one of those things
|
|
that you get to kind of go back to and think about.
|
|
Man, it's going to if it feels like it's going to be a really long time
|
|
before we see us seem that too.
|
|
Because every single part here, you know, they have to deal with the chipset
|
|
and the, you know, the the network stuff and all of the other stuff.
|
|
It's not going to be the little piddly stuff that they're going to problem with.
|
|
It's going to be the screen.
|
|
It's going to be the network stuff.
|
|
It's going to be the chipset.
|
|
You know, when it comes to when it comes to a device like this,
|
|
I don't necessarily like what a yearly update anyway.
|
|
I'd rather treat it like a game console.
|
|
We're just like we get new game consoles every five to six years.
|
|
I'm fine with that.
|
|
And in all honesty, I'm fine with it for the most part.
|
|
I agree with you.
|
|
But when you're in a new category
|
|
that you basically created, the biggest way to fail
|
|
is to allow your competitors to innovate faster than you can.
|
|
Well, Valve didn't even create this category.
|
|
Well, rejuvenated this category.
|
|
Let's put it down and rejuvenate it.
|
|
Yeah, they did.
|
|
Can I raise you the Nintendo Switch?
|
|
Yeah, that's those.
|
|
I don't think the Nintendo Switch and the the the Steam Deck are comparable at all.
|
|
When it comes to video game devices, I put them in the exact same category
|
|
because I do not see the Steam Deck as a desktop computer.
|
|
Yeah, I disagree with you because you can't you can't
|
|
name the number of AAA games you can play on the Steam Deck
|
|
or on the on the on the Switch.
|
|
How many Nintendo titles are there?
|
|
Those aren't AAA titles, and we all know it.
|
|
But it's Mario, man.
|
|
I would I would put Super Smash Brothers as a AAA title.
|
|
OK, so that was OK, one. OK.
|
|
Yeah, Smash Brothers, Mario, Zelda.
|
|
How about this? Can you play Call of Duty,
|
|
an actual Call of Duty on there or just a nerf version like you used to be able to?
|
|
I believe the actual Call of Duty is on there.
|
|
Is it? I mean, it's news to me because it must be new.
|
|
Anyways, it doesn't matter.
|
|
That's it for us on this one.
|
|
Oh, wait a minute. Hold on a second.
|
|
I forgot something. Thingies of the Week.
|
|
I forgot Thingies of the Week.
|
|
How could I possibly do that?
|
|
Let's move on to the Thingies of the Week.
|
|
And so the last section that we do every week
|
|
on the podcast is where we we find we call them picks.
|
|
We could have called them picks.
|
|
We end up calling them thingies.
|
|
So, Josh, your thingy of the week?
|
|
Obviously, you know, we Matt and I were mentioning it earlier here.
|
|
And I am known as an I3 hater.
|
|
But of course, my pick this week is Sway.
|
|
Which, you know, some people might be a little bit surprised by,
|
|
but I have fallen in love with Sway as my new found replacement for Cage,
|
|
which Cage Cage is a Wayland display model,
|
|
is a Wayland compositor that is just a kiosk.
|
|
And that's how I'm using Sway as a kiosk application.
|
|
And, you know, it's been super stable.
|
|
The load times are infinitely faster than Cage because Cage doesn't
|
|
preload GTK or QT themes whatsoever.
|
|
But thankfully, Sway does.
|
|
And, you know, the configuration is actually in a file
|
|
and not part of the shell command.
|
|
You have to call for Cage.
|
|
Am I picking it for desktop usage?
|
|
No, because, you know, it's running my home theater computer, which is over there.
|
|
Can we can I ask you a question?
|
|
Is is how you were saying that word key?
|
|
Is how you were saying that word key kiosk?
|
|
Is that how you actually pronounce that?
|
|
Or that's how I pronounce it.
|
|
I always thought it was Koisk, but the fuck do I know?
|
|
It's key. It's kiosk.
|
|
Key or kiosk.
|
|
Yeah, that's how you pronounce kiosk.
|
|
English is hard. Let's speak something.
|
|
It's a it's a French word.
|
|
It's a French word. It's kiosk.
|
|
We'll see. We should have just asked Steve.
|
|
The Americans took.
|
|
We steal everything, man, and we make it better.
|
|
All right. Anyways, Josh or Steve, you're about a thing of the week.
|
|
Thing of the week I'm wearing right now.
|
|
It's called the Amazfit Urex 2 smartwatch
|
|
because my Apple watch died.
|
|
Natural death, natural causes.
|
|
Don't worry. It's age.
|
|
It was a series two, not a series seven or a series eight.
|
|
We're up to the eight and upcoming is nine.
|
|
Oh, it's like six, seven generations old.
|
|
What is your what is your new watch run?
|
|
What operating system that was?
|
|
It's not Android.
|
|
Yeah, it's Zappos.
|
|
And I made sure that it doesn't run Android
|
|
because Android doesn't work with iOS and I have an iOS device.
|
|
So I needed something that worked with iOS.
|
|
And for one hundred and fifty bucks
|
|
retail, this watch is
|
|
beyond amazing.
|
|
It's got 25, 25 day battery life.
|
|
If you turn everything off like I do, anything related to the heart rate,
|
|
any any health related features, GPS
|
|
and that has a dual band satellite connection.
|
|
I turned all that off. I don't care for that.
|
|
All I needed is for push notifications and call ID.
|
|
So you can turn all that stuff off and you don't have to charge
|
|
a watch every single night.
|
|
Lasts for 50 day for 40 days.
|
|
You would be a prime candidate for a hybrid smartwatch.
|
|
One of the ones that one of those ones that just do push notifications
|
|
until the time.
|
|
Yeah, I know. I wanted the Pebble watch.
|
|
I couldn't find the Pebble watch.
|
|
I only found one listing on eBay and it was used.
|
|
And I don't know that those stuff.
|
|
Well, the the company of Pebble doesn't exist anymore.
|
|
I know it was bought by Fitbit, then Fitbit was bought by Google.
|
|
So yeah, so I buy your buy your pine sixty four watch and use that.
|
|
Yeah, I want performance, please.
|
|
I don't want the when I scroll, I have to wait five minutes
|
|
for the thing to show.
|
|
But anyway, this watch is amazing.
|
|
And the most important part for me was support for custom
|
|
watch faces by the watch face community.
|
|
There's a separate app called A.W.
|
|
Maze watch faces.
|
|
They amaze with watches that gives me access
|
|
to the entire watch face community and everything.
|
|
I spent like three hours today just playing around with watch faces.
|
|
I found one that was purple pink, the colors of zero Linux.
|
|
Didn't like it too much because it clashes with the black
|
|
and red design of the watch.
|
|
I stayed on black and red.
|
|
And best part of this of this thing is
|
|
that I don't have to I don't have to charge it every every night
|
|
and every two nights.
|
|
It's I don't know what it is.
|
|
I've never really understood the the disinterest
|
|
in just charging your watch overnight.
|
|
I just put my watch on the charger with my phone every night.
|
|
I don't want to wear electricity here.
|
|
Remember? Oh, that's true.
|
|
My whole thing is that, you know, I'm used to like
|
|
having a watch and then never have and then never have thing
|
|
to urge my watch because I do all the watches I ever owned.
|
|
But you wind up.
|
|
But you take your work for years at a time.
|
|
You take your watch off at night when you go to sleep, though, right?
|
|
Or during the day now, right?
|
|
You just take watch off.
|
|
You don't wear while you go to sleep, do you?
|
|
No, not really. OK.
|
|
So what's the difference between taking it off and sitting it on your dresser
|
|
and then taking off and just sitting on a charger?
|
|
I mean, I mean, there's not a difference.
|
|
I don't even wear a watch.
|
|
So you say your argument is no.
|
|
All right. Anyways, no.
|
|
But suffice it to say that today, with all the playing,
|
|
it was the 71 percent when I started playing with it,
|
|
just when I got it this morning.
|
|
It's 69 percent now.
|
|
So how long until we get the zero time?
|
|
Zero time in 40 days.
|
|
But this is the first charge.
|
|
I haven't charged it since I got it.
|
|
I'm going to let it drain for the first time and then charge it.
|
|
Then from this is the first cycle, you don't count it.
|
|
Once it's drained and you charge it for the first time,
|
|
then you start counting how long.
|
|
See, I've had my watch on since I woke up this morning and I'm down to 82 percent total.
|
|
And I have everything. What is your smartwatch?
|
|
I have the Galaxy Watch 4, the classic version.
|
|
OK, that has a three day battery life, if I'm not mistaken.
|
|
Two, if I'm lucky.
|
|
But I charge it every night, so I don't care.
|
|
I'm not going to wear it to bed, so I just it just I just set it on the charge.
|
|
The whole the whole point for me buying this watch is because all the smartwatches
|
|
I had before, like the Apple Watch Series 2 and the Pebbles Time Steal before that,
|
|
they were not salt water resistant.
|
|
They tell you four meters, five meters.
|
|
And I traveled to Greece, dude.
|
|
I in Greece, you go to the beach.
|
|
So I needed to take something that I could forget on my wrist.
|
|
Take a shower to the beach, go to the go to the pool
|
|
without ever having to worry about taking it off.
|
|
I like something stick on my wrist forever.
|
|
Weird. OK, I'm sure I'm sure.
|
|
Maybe I'm the weird one that just takes it off when I, you know, going to get wet.
|
|
I mean, like I'm going to take a shower.
|
|
I'm not going to take my watch in there.
|
|
I'll be honest with you.
|
|
If you have a plastic wristband, yeah, I would understand
|
|
because it tends to start to stink after a while.
|
|
That's why the first thing I'm going to do next week is go to Beirut
|
|
with my friends to have lunch and we're going to drop by a watch place
|
|
and ask them and get your stuff a proper leather band.
|
|
Leather through that.
|
|
Yeah, metal. Why not metal metal?
|
|
I mean, I guess metal is steel.
|
|
Stainless steel. That's what I love.
|
|
I have a fabric band, actually.
|
|
I have fabric work still.
|
|
It's just more comfortable than like something heavy.
|
|
And this is too light on my wrist. I need something heavy.
|
|
I want to be able to bash someone across the head with, you know,
|
|
with my watch and just murder them.
|
|
All right. Anyway, so my thing of the week, just really simple.
|
|
So everybody knows that I like to create themes for my window manager.
|
|
And I've long since had a reputation for that.
|
|
But no longer.
|
|
I no longer have to do that because I I didn't discover Piwad.
|
|
I've known about Piwad for a long time, but I haven't used it in a while.
|
|
And I saw someone using Piwad on the Discord with Hyperland.
|
|
And when I went to when I was trying Hyperland for a little while,
|
|
I was like, well, maybe I just don't need to do a bunch of things.
|
|
I was just I'll just use Piwad to do my thing for me.
|
|
I didn't end up sticking with Hyperland,
|
|
but I did decide to install Piwad with Qtel.
|
|
And man, it is so good.
|
|
I had forgotten how good it actually is at creating a color scheme
|
|
that works really, really well.
|
|
You just change a wallpaper and I, you know, created a script
|
|
and it just, you know, every time I hit a key binding inside of Ranger,
|
|
it changes the wallpaper, changes the Qtel theme, changes the terminal theme,
|
|
changes the Firefox theme, because it's there's a Firefox
|
|
plugin that you can use in order to have it take on the color.
|
|
So it's really good.
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Now, the only downside is, is that it has been updated in forever.
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So if you're one of those people who care that a project hasn't been updated
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and it's still on the AUR and not on mainline repository.
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Yeah, I don't I don't care where as long as I can download it, I don't mind.
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So if you care that it hasn't been updated in a while,
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then you won't want to use it.
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But I don't care because it still works just fine.
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So, yeah, I will.
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That is feature complete.
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Maybe it's feature complete. It could be.
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It has a couple of errors.
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So there are some bugs that could fix the biggest issues
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that the developer seems to have just gone completely AWOL.
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No response to issues or anything.
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But that's, you know, whatever.
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Someone else has forked it with the ability to use more colors.
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I haven't been able to get that to build yet.
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So it's called Pywall 16.
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Yeah, color. Yep.
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Anyways, that's it for this episode of Linuxcast.
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Before we before we end, I want to say one thing.
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Everybody on Arch, if you notice, there's no updates coming.
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It's because they're merging repositories extra.
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I mean, community will be merged with extra.
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And community will be empty and all the migration will end tomorrow.
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At some point, the whatever time, go to the archlinux.org website
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to check out. So you're saying right now, right now is not a good time
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for me to install Arch Linux.
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You just installed Gentoo. I saw you do it.
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Yeah, I saw Gentoo on that computer.
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OK, anyway, if you run an update and and you notice that it's going
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way too quickly for some reason and you're getting no updates, that's why.
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OK, thank you for that, Steve.
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Anyways, we'll see you next week.
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